tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post2963898725633335320..comments2024-03-06T00:19:00.631-08:00Comments on 9 grey chairs: So anyway ..servicetonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11411489012950761292noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-70987129988766343862015-04-16T00:22:48.712-07:002015-04-16T00:22:48.712-07:00I add my thanks and appreciation to you and every ...I add my thanks and appreciation to you and every other music blogger who runs a similar site. I've been here before, but only came back when looking for the Gil Mellé "Tome VI" rip. I hadn't been aware of the 22 month break. I hope you stick around. Thanks again.J. Sterling Ellisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02818392486418747285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-54285158114401755722015-03-24T16:15:31.216-07:002015-03-24T16:15:31.216-07:00Thanks for trying - again; all that work is defini...Thanks for trying - again; all that work is definitely appreciated, perhaps somewhat in the same way that people appreciate life as a whole: introspectively... :Ddaniel70https://www.blogger.com/profile/07454807484583679331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-81674588311156240432015-03-15T00:11:11.243-07:002015-03-15T00:11:11.243-07:00I suppose we could count this too: https://www.pat...I suppose we could count this too: https://www.patreon.com<br />I don't yet get how customizable or uniform the pledge/gift system is, but...it's another interesting construction...QPjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06488550265452564333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-90920597423481840082015-03-14T21:02:00.952-07:002015-03-14T21:02:00.952-07:00on the positive side in terms of grass roots suppo...on the positive side in terms of grass roots support for artists.<br />http://blog.bandcamp.com/2015/03/06/dolla-dolla-bill-yall/SOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-8241659791127636482015-03-14T19:51:27.659-07:002015-03-14T19:51:27.659-07:00And by all that I meant to say Thank You!And by all that I meant to say Thank You!lordDukkhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13867343402943666106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-62729183839347728332015-03-14T19:31:25.902-07:002015-03-14T19:31:25.902-07:00I just bought The Pop Group's Citizen Zombie b...I just bought The Pop Group's Citizen Zombie because before I got really into free jazz they were one of my last favorite post punk bands. I bought a DL because the four local record shops didn't have it and I didn't want to wait for mail order. But prior to that I DL'd a few items from avax home, inconstantsol, etc. <br /><br />I've gone through periods of binge harvesting links, and I sometimes feel guilty about it. Not for infringement but because I have so many that I will never listen to. I did purge some stuff a few years ago, but that can be an emotionally taxing experience. I used to work at Tower Records in Los Angeles in the late 80's and I've always had an obsession for music. I am a Coltrane completist on LP, Ayler ditto on CD, and Sun Ra I wish!<br /><br />But as I've moved into a white-collar lifestyle I find myself struggling to find friends who share my musical interests. So even though I don't post often on these blogs, I do so appreciate them. They are rays of light in my life. I have DL'd and purchased Togashi, Strata Eats gems (dodgy quality CD's), and many more.lordDukkhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13867343402943666106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-30287754128889923232015-03-13T10:27:52.968-07:002015-03-13T10:27:52.968-07:00It makes sense that those particular Makers would ...It makes sense that those particular Makers would have gotten that ball rolling. I remember when their cable television was first rolled out all the lobbying and litigation they went through to get VCR manufacturers to remove every "record" function from their devices. Of course, the sports fans stopped that from happening so they had to invent the descrambler box. Now they're just going to force the torrenters to invent, I don't know, some kind of metadata laundering algorithm.<br />It sounds a little like a "branding" issue with your daughter. The you tube brand is "official" and used by the stars and everyone, but pirate bay, well...it's got the word pirate. One of my own relatives is of the early mp3 generation and they download to check it out, feel it out. If they love it, they go back and buy it --if it's new. If it's old and it's something you can copy from the library or go in on with a friend, then maybe not, unless it's an artist they just really love and want to support. I've talked with them and they acknowledge they are conscientious about this stuff. Friends of theirs though are like "if new music's there, I'll take it, if there's no new music...life goes on? (shrug shoulders)" at the same time they're also rooting for the "Zombie Apocalypse." ;-P<br /><br />QPjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06488550265452564333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-29294835053452538502015-03-13T07:07:27.866-07:002015-03-13T07:07:27.866-07:00the last sentence of that second paragraph ought t...the last sentence of that second paragraph ought to read ... but she has absolutely no sense of the moral equivalence .SOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-81337304476038595692015-03-13T07:04:50.993-07:002015-03-13T07:04:50.993-07:00i doubt that anyone has ever bought a stream of Co...i doubt that anyone has ever bought a stream of Coltrane's live in Japan...<br /><br /> and... even your average punter who i<br />isn't interested in music other than as aural wallpaper gets their favourite songs from elsewhere.... my daughter gets all her ipod songs from you tube , whats more to her generation its almost second nature the artist other than as a glamorous one dimensional cartoon doesn't even factor as a human being with rights....she once asked quite shocked how i could download films from the pirate bay .. uh dad isn't that illegal???.. when she had been doing it on you tube for months if not years.<br />what that tells us is that the pirate bay is synonymous with piracy to that generation but you tube isn't equivalence ...........<br /><br />at present the Australian Government is proposing a multi tiered strategy to combat piracy , first blocking access to torrent bays with known illegal content, second forcing ISPs to give up infringers metadata, 3rd to send written warnings to repeated infringers, prosecuting them if they persist...<br /><br />the Makers of "game of thrones "..apparently got that ball rolling when it became apparent that we are among the biggest pirates per capita in the world ... i dont know how they got their figures but they estimated that half a million Australians downloaded each of the 5 series SOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-14370593182401395492015-03-13T06:33:13.040-07:002015-03-13T06:33:13.040-07:00@Kinabalu....Who says
"Streaming services hav...@Kinabalu....Who says<br />"Streaming services have pretty much undercut the market for illegal downloading"<br />can this possibly be the case ???(particularly, in this rarefied specific "Market",Purchased low quality Mp3s , undercutting pirated lossless downloads with full artwork ...mon cher H, ..pure fantasy!!!!...SOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-74963584514860197622015-02-23T09:48:18.664-08:002015-02-23T09:48:18.664-08:00Crowdfunding does *sound* bad; like mob rule, five...Crowdfunding does *sound* bad; like mob rule, five thousand fingers on the poor artist's instrument... But, realistically, it works like any grant process, for example. "Hi, I'm Tony Brixton and I've got six ideas here I've been cooking up, including one for a hundred tubas! Here's my projected budget and the product we'd be aiming for..." It's not like the funders get to say "only if you change tuba to tuna and add bikinis." I mean, not any more than any record company would interfere like that.<br />While I'm here... regarding the mention of a donation model (and these are just two examples, no?) my wife and I like to watch the RIFFTRAX audio-file descendant of MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATER 3000 from time to time and apparently they have a torrent issue, so they handle it in a very relaxed way with humor at the end of every show and a donation page on their website using paypal. I'd be interested to know if what they gain by that is anything like what they project they lose through torrents, or maybe it's enough that they don't even care?<br />Anyway, just thought I'd mention it as one teency example.QPjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06488550265452564333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-32520147009514279412015-02-23T08:13:50.450-08:002015-02-23T08:13:50.450-08:0056 and counting ...
I'm not sure if I have mu...56 and counting ...<br /><br />I'm not sure if I have much to add to the discussion. My thoughts on this were posted a couple of years back on Serviceton's lunchbox which can be found here:<br /><br />http://thedevilslunchbox.blogspot.no/2013/02/sharing-what-exactly.html<br /><br />I thnk the argumenents are still valid. Maybe just a couple of further observations. Streaming services have pretty much undercut the market for illegal downloading. These services are entirely legal, but there's a question whether artists are sufficiently compensated for making their recordings available in this manner. In any case, it doesn't compensate for ordinary cd sales. With these services, cds are definitely on their way out, though maybe not for the marginal type of music we're discussing here. More and more music is filtered through smart phones these days, and I can't walk without seeing hordes of people plugged in.<br /><br />But hey, lps are coming back in fashion, satisfying the yearning for real physical objects. I find myself buying more new lps than cds anyway, even if they cost more.<br /><br />Secondly, I don't share the scepticism about crowdsource funding. Artists would still have to seek funding for their releases which means they will have to take their "begging" elsewhere or finance them out of their own pockets. The idea of user pays is, I believe, on balance a good thing. After all, road building is financed through toll booths, though there are people intrinsically opposed to that, arguing that it should be paid for out of tax revenue.<br /><br />But despite all the blah blah, we still push on, eh? I think even Sotise admits to that.kinabaluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12211840256387413715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-90829683434889237932015-02-21T09:20:02.316-08:002015-02-21T09:20:02.316-08:00Look like anon1 jumpd from Sol contrib sect to fil...Look like anon1 jumpd from Sol contrib sect to filbert funland gayle han.paul'scathttp://www.paulscat.catnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-80735758943998890102015-02-21T06:26:07.600-08:002015-02-21T06:26:07.600-08:00Lucky such subnetworks already exist as far as i k...Lucky such subnetworks already exist as far as i know deep in the sub intranet, or dark net as some call it , what ends up happening is sharing of actual music on a mind boggling scale, entire discographies labelographies get shared...<br />with next to no discussion ,i have no interest in that , there aren't enough lifetimes let alone hours in the day to absorb what i have already bought and downloaded ... i spend 6 to 8 hours a day listening , and still cant absorb more than a fraction, which brings us back to anon 1's point about over consumption... then theres the law of diminishing returns ... the more one has the less one appreciates the parts of the whole ...<br /><br />i like to listen to things repeatedly .. and find that i simply dont have time to listen to the material i've downloaded because im struggling to get through what i've bought... internet filesharing culture changes our relationship to the actual music , how can it have the same impact when theres a rush to listen to so much in a constant push to hear it all...<br />its communicating entire worlds of thought and complex emotions that simply cant be absorbed that way hastily in a harried and cursory fashion. SOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-38939002820135176382015-02-21T06:07:40.842-08:002015-02-21T06:07:40.842-08:00I'll have a stroll outside before I come back ...I'll have a stroll outside before I come back to that - bit of a grounding into the "real" world.<br /><br />Cheers, Sotise - I like to hear you thinking!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-66669150534234919852015-02-21T05:55:20.438-08:002015-02-21T05:55:20.438-08:00we are forced to function in competitive world, to...we are forced to function in competitive world, to cheat and lie to survive to mortify and kill what brings us joy and gives us purpose...<br />reduced to sharing anonymously disconnected from one another,mere avatars shadows..<br /><br />Everyone has their own rationalisations <br /><br />but whether or not file sharers realise it publishing copyrighted materials into the aether is also a fuck you to the mechanisms which underpin capitalism...<br /><br />... problematic though because of potential unintended consequences, and potential victims,namely the producers of that material who also have to survive and function in a fucked up distorted shared economic reality.<br /> SOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-49714735143599322602015-02-21T05:50:55.224-08:002015-02-21T05:50:55.224-08:00But one product of this shitty nightmare - the int...But one product of this shitty nightmare - the internet, which has been produced by the military, as far as I know, exactly this product enables us here to "think" and write to each other. There's never only black without white, and I try to figure out for myself how I can "share" without the fear of getting struck by some shitty system. Sharing our thoughts here is a good one - and I have the feeling, the small community of improv givers in the blogosphere could do better in creating their own sub-network without the fear of being punished. SFRP and other networks have tried it - but there I never found the openness and vitality as in open blogs.<br /><br />What is the solution? How can we do it? Or is this not the question, but rather that we first understand what we're dealing with, like anon #1 pushed us to think about?!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-9945634007368414602015-02-21T05:30:11.958-08:002015-02-21T05:30:11.958-08:00Lucky ... yeah ... just what exactly are we doing ...Lucky ... yeah ... just what exactly are we doing here?<br />SHARING is really what your post is all about...<br />Lets explore the dichotomy(s) for a moment ...<br /><br />i think we all know that SHARING is an entirely natural modus vivendi, something every child does of necessity constantly, indeed is almost compelled to do, in the crucial early periods of socialization..<br />its more than a modus vivendi , its our natural uncorrupted state, something crucial to our early socialization an important SURVIVAL stage in learning about ourselves in relation to others..<br /><br />what's more it is also what makes us truly happy (and whole) ....UNTIL What we have had to learn to discover the world, make friends and be happy, is suddenly anathema, and the natural joy of sharing is drummed out of us, ripped from us, our spirits crushed and remoulded into submission to the dominant Neo Darwinian paradigm of COMPETITION central to modern post industrial technocratic Capitalism....<br /><br />ignoring sensory evidence to the contrary we are taught that competition is natural,and that skills ,personality traits IQs are merely factors enabling us to get ahead , avantages ..the competitive edge which confers identity.and status.. Sharing runs counter to the very fabric of the civilisation we've created...<br /><br /> thats why we're so disembodied , and detached from one another, its the brutalisation of suppressing what is innately good... to function in this shitty hideous competitive nightmareSOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-37313286544258206082015-02-21T03:56:11.249-08:002015-02-21T03:56:11.249-08:00I'm not much of a philosopher, but your though...I'm not much of a philosopher, but your thoughts above kept me thinking, Sotise. My main problem as a music listener and record buyer is - what am I to do with the knowledge that I got from listening, going to concerts, buying records, reading books about music? Like with many I got to know on the internet, I don't know anyone here around who's interested in that kind of music, the few I see on and off at concerts are mostly not the sociable types (am I...?).<br /><br />And what am I allowed to do with the records? The industry wants me to buy them, play them in my lucky locus at home, and that's it. But I want to DO something with them, don't let them rot in their jackets or jewel cases, but listen to them, keep them alive - short: share my experience of listening with others, and all of a sudden this makes me a criminal, because I don't behave and stay only a consumer! A few chosen ones head their way to radio stations, or start deejaying - or (like Christian Marclay) make "art" of using records. But the rest of us live in some hidden spaces of the world, prior unconnected - now through the internet connected "somehow", and we use technology in the easiest way - and break copyrights, get involved in lawsuits because we try to be alive. Some of the sharers try to prevent it by sticking to certain "rules", such as posting only out of print records (which is still infringing copyrights, of course), or find other outlets, such as writing reviews, connecting with legal copyright holders (like destination out with fmp) and start some business.<br /><br />What are we supposed to do - and what do we want? Some hide in private forums and share the newest stuff there. Others use torrents and often enough get caught in doing so. In the past we made mixtapes for friends and wanna-be's, nowadays we're sharing the albums in flac + doing scans, such on a blog like this.<br /><br />More questions than answers, I fear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-60819863601724229022015-02-20T06:55:44.831-08:002015-02-20T06:55:44.831-08:00For myself personally i can say ... that i contin...For myself personally i can say ... that i continue to discover new sounds on blogs that whet the appetite , and plunge one deeper into exploration through the purchase of actual physical records and cds.. in the last half a dozen years i have bought more music than the preceding 20 combined.... <br />no attempt at self justification here just the facts,and honestly its more than i can actually afford... i dont have a job, and i often go hungry when i splurge.... also admittedly its mostly taxpayers money.....<br /><br />over consumption of music is very probably an unhealthy reaction to a perpetual persistent lingering fear of extinction or annihilation, and the perpetual existential insecurity arising from..the geo political ethos of our times...our civilization decaying ..crumbling slowly but perceptibly by the day,the environment decaying ,global warming accelerating, the fabric of society altering so rapidly etc as i said the perpetual fear of extinction decay and death....<br /><br />we are heading into a fascism hitherto unknown.. a hideous corporate feudalism ..where<br />Selfishness and greed are enshrined as high ideals from cradle to grave everywhere one turns,corporate criminals have the mystique of poets or legendary heroes (that love of Mammon is something the human spirit deep within automatically is repulsed by , until we repeatedly kill or mortify that natural repulsion and cave in for fear of opprobrium, and for sanity's sake)<br /><br />so here we congregate over the rubble, what we in fact hold most dear proof of our intrinsic value as a race.... what we love and know to be most noble,decent and true about our wretched humanity... thats what this obsessive fiddling around the margins really is to me anyway...SOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-63341983087298262312015-02-20T06:43:44.246-08:002015-02-20T06:43:44.246-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.SOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-16153014132022050522015-02-20T06:43:18.383-08:002015-02-20T06:43:18.383-08:00A Few belated thoughts/responses to this thread , ...A Few belated thoughts/responses to this thread , though i'm not an administrator here , i am friends with "Serviceton" in the flesh so to speak, we live in the same country...<br /><br />i mention this because we first became acquainted on a music blog , discussing music, and have done so ever since by telephone and in the flesh over a few beers..<br /><br />That has been one of the good things about music, file sharing blogs,..... because in the non virtual sphere i live pretty much in isolation surrounded by people who have no interest in music other than as aural wall paper....<br /><br /> before late 2006, i had no interest whatsoever in computers or the internet...<br />i had an email address but never used it, then one day a friend was explaining their still baffling relationship to google, and after a few bongs and beers enthusiastically demonstrated its function... they said go ahead type something in... i typed in jimmy lyons,for no particular reason other than id been listening to one of his records earlier that day..<br />all of a sudden i found myself mysteriously transported to the site "Church number 9" named after a legendary but seldom heard Frank Wright record... and thus on the day i discovered the internet i stumbled across file sharing , music blogs.almost entirely whimsically..haphazardly .<br /><br />That blog represented its founder's particular obsessions, the more ecstatic "Energy"...Free Jazz, Japanese noise rock, Captain Beefheart and Led Zeppelin Bootlegs...and so forth<br /><br />It also espoused an ethical moral puritanism emphasising the need of artists to make a living therefore necessarily eschewing the publication of any material that was in print or readily available...<br />the Operative word here is publication.. sharing something online is effectively publishing it, a fact that is all to easy to forget!<br /><br />Those days were different, the share's were in mp3 with no or little artwork, and at that time itunes was just a blip , there was no spotify, and certainly no Bandcamp or other commercial sites selling full lossless albums of marginal musics... the hope then,and later with Inconstant Sol , 9 grey chairs and others was not just to hang out virtually with like minded souls but perhaps more naively to introduce non mainstream music to younger people who perhaps had not been exposed to those sounds , so in a sense it was all about sharing knowledge , and discovering other people willing to talk about their own musical journeys of discovery...and importantly,magically to hear rare records beyond the reach of ones own meager purse strings.<br /><br />lets not fool ourselves a lot has changed in 8 ,9 years, you can now download almost anything the latest freejazz/ improv, marginal music release,or any genre for that matter... so doubtless Anonymous #1, has a point.. and a very valid one<br /> ...SOTISEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05582536180483998639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-18487609999778087812015-02-18T17:18:06.161-08:002015-02-18T17:18:06.161-08:00!!QPjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06488550265452564333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-76219481275186911312015-02-18T15:20:57.749-08:002015-02-18T15:20:57.749-08:00Igor... “The beautiful thing is that I have a life...Igor... “The beautiful thing is that I have a life of meaning and value before I pick up the horn. I’m not living a life predicated on the success of a record or the next gig. My life already has meaning, and when I pick up the horn, I’m picking it up as a whole person, and anything from there is just abundance.” - Peter Kuhn<br />Bulkang U. Antibop, thanks! I have known Peter for over 45 years. For too long I was unaware of where he was or what he was doing. Until I found him on Inconstant Sol. To me that's what these blogs represent. A wish for a shared humanity.DWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05073221551854002656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7612968802477776743.post-89233678201603906352015-02-18T09:56:58.444-08:002015-02-18T09:56:58.444-08:00I like your swing analogy, Igor. I read it out lou...I like your swing analogy, Igor. I read it out loud to my wife and then I understood it.<br />Funny you use the phrase "let's call this" -maybe my favorite composition of Monk. It could have what we call a "bootstrap" meaning (you imagine lifting yourself up in the air by your own bootstraps -surely an impossible scenario). Well, I wondered if Monk was asked what this tune was called and he said, "Rudy, let's call this..." -and then that's what he wrote down! :-)QPjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06488550265452564333noreply@blogger.com